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• #1 by quarterflash1133 on January 4th, 2012

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  @HumaneObserver …. so AZ, not NV. The question made me consult the map. It was a long damn? ride.

• #2 by quarterflash1133 on January 4th, 2012

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  BLM is more gov that I don’t trust/care about but the OR staff who? actually ‘do’ are as profficient as I’ve seen industry wide. They imported & patiently taught me Wild Horses 101. Now their photos regularly show that those vast, arid plains (HMAs) are fragile, barren, sparse forage that would starve my hothouse horses out. The horses along 160 between Shiprock & Tuba City might not be on HMAs, but the road signage warns of collision risk, and were noticeable thin from distance.

• #3 by HumaneObserver on January 4th, 2012

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  @quarterflash1133 If a lot of horses are starving out on the? range, then BLM is failing miserably at its job. Where did you see that, Quarterflash?

• #4 by HumaneObserver on January 5th, 2012

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  @quarterflash1133 Wow, Quarterflash, what venom. BLM does some good things, and thankfully there are knowledgable, caring people around. The issues of policy, not nit-picking, are what I am addressing. Your generalizations are wasted on me. I do a lot of wild horse observation in Nevada, and even BLM acknowledges most of the horses they round up aren’t even close to starving, so I don’t know what /where u are talking about.? The “starving horses” is old propaganda they’ve even dropped.

• #5 by quarterflash1133 on January 5th, 2012

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  @Humane Observer …. Quarterflash loves bucking horses and will always actively protect them from kind hearted people who don’t have a clue? because ignorance WILL cause them great pain and suffering …. a thing their professions never expose them to.

• #6 by quarterflash1133 on January 5th, 2012

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  @Humane Oberserver …. when (IF) you eventually realize ‘the point’ you’ll be enlightened enough to respond to.? The Oregon (Burns) BLM staff recently went into a HMA to euth a broken legged, older stallion they knew and loved, in my book continuing that state’s tradition of excellent wild horse stewardship. Other states? I’m not close to …. but every sighting made of NV horses on a recent trip through that country revealed horses very close to starvation.

• #7 by HumaneObserver on January 5th, 2012

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  @quarterflash1133 “Free” isn’t “homeless and hungry” for most wild horses. It certainly can mean that, but it honestly isn’t the real case or I wouldn’t be objecting to these major roundups. When you’ve got 10,000 cows on 800,000 acres and allow only 400 wild horses and call any others “excess” in an HMA (Herd Managemt Area) within the 26 million acres supposedly set aside to prioritize wild? horses & burros, that is cheating them. Look at some of my other answers here for more information.

• #8 by AnimalLeftist on January 5th, 2012

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  @HumaneObserver, quarterflash knows a lot about callous disregard. She wuvs her broncs at the rodeo.?

• #9 by 0788Nanner on January 5th, 2012

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  @bbbask I agree with you. I’m not exactly sure but I don’t even think my vet gives pain meds after he gelds a colt. Yes it looks and does hurt but the more the colt walks around really the better off. Pain meds cover up the pain which could result in somebody doing a little more than they should after? gelding causing another set of problems.

• #10 by HumaneObserver on January 5th, 2012

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  Quarterflash, your comment is entirely beside the point. This video does not address whether to geld or not; the point is the failure to address real suffering when it’s obvious a horse needs medical attention and help. HSUS vet said this horse should have been treated and helped with pain management. And Dr.? Sanford, the BLM vet who gelded this horse, said a horse in this condition would be brought in and treated, yet HE WAS NOT. It’s BLM’s callous disregard at issue here.

• #11 by quarterflash1133 on January 5th, 2012

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  Spay and neuter … NO MORE BREEDING. Well … no. I happen to like animals and understand that ‘FREE’ is another word for ‘HOMELESS & HUNGRY’ here in 2011.?

• #12 by HumaneObserver on January 5th, 2012

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  Our taxpayer $s would do best if BLM stopped/seriously decreased roundg up horses. The “overpopulation” is truly a myth. Livestock outnumber wild horses 5 to 1 IN MOST WILD HORSE DESIGNATED AREAS, only 26 m acres of the 160 m acres BLM manages for grazing. When an animal is in obvious intense pain? like this and it’s within our ability to relieve him — especially we caused it— it’s inhumane to do nothing. I hope you have the decency to use no novocaine or pain killers for your dental work.

• #13 by vtennis on January 5th, 2012

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  Well at least they are gelded. I’m all for reducing the number of mustangs my taxpayer dollars? go to feed because there are no homes for them and the slaughter facilities are all closed. But then, I castrate my sheep, cats, calves and just about any other animal without any pain killer. Oh and I have a pony that will be castrated soon. He probably won’t get bute either.

• #14 by 1windcatcher on January 5th, 2012

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  I agree with all comments, but they NEED YOUR VOICE TO SPREAD the WORD as to what is happening to them during these roundups…HOW IS THIS NOT CRUELTY?????…PLEASE HELP THEM…..SHARE? WHAT YOU SEE AND HEAR ….the? wild horses and burros will thank you

• #15 by guitargirlcc on January 5th, 2012

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  If u want to help stop these round ups? message meh at cele_calvillo@yahoo.com. Plz help me stop this cruel act plz these horses need us to help save them!!!!

• #16 by HumaneObserver on January 5th, 2012

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  I know because they told me.? And Dr. Eric Davis, the HSUS vet, watched this film and told me he would have treated a horse in this condition. He asked BLM’s vet about this situation, and he said a horse in this condition should be treated, yet I do know they did nothing for this horse. F2R, the horses are thriving in the wild. Their removal is political; there is no excess of wild horses in the vast majority of HMAs. In Wyoming’s Divide Basin, they want 10,559 cows, only 415-600 horses.

• #17 by free2rope on January 5th, 2012

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  how do you know they didn’t give him a shot did you stay there all day get over it they would be worse with? out blm

• #18 by clioandminnie on January 5th, 2012

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  BLM are nothing but money-grabbing, land-stealing thieves. Anything to satisfy the mega-bucks that come their way via the ranchers. They will NOT be happy until they have wiped all the wild horses and burros off the grazing lands of America, then it can be given? to the ranchers for more money!!

• #19 by 777cowgirl on January 5th, 2012

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  I say we geld that idiot and give him no pain medication and we’ll just say to? him while he’s screaming “I’m in pain!” “Sir thats not accurate, you’re not in pain”

• #20 by wildmustangrobin on January 5th, 2012

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  How dare the BLM define HUMANE? as THIS! This is NOT HUMANE. Please help save the wild mustangs. Join my petition on Facebook.

• #21 by HumaneObserver on January 5th, 2012

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  @bbbask Even the HSUS vet called this procedure barbaric and has made strong recommendations that they use banamine and bute. We know things we didn’t know 50 yrs ago. I understand you, tho, bbb: Life without compassion is easier; if you start to be sensitive to the suffering of animals (who suffer from multiple fears and predation as well as pain from us? and each other) you might have to change some of your ways(!) — I’ve had to change mine. It was hard at first but feels really good.

• #22 by HumaneObserver on January 5th, 2012

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  @bbbask Consider all the nerve endings on their skin, so sensitive they feel a fly land and can “quiver” the skin on just 2 square inches of their big muscular bodies. It is a fallacy to think because an animal? is big and strong, it doesn’t feel intense pain. Castration is what is called an “invasive” procedure. Do u tie your dog up 12 hrs a day in the hot sun just because “he can take it”? It is easier, bbbask, to be cold and dispassionate about others, for sure, because compassion hurts…

• #23 by HumaneObserver on January 5th, 2012

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  How do you come up “just letting them reproduce on their own” from this video? I am calling for humane gelding procedures, just adding some pain management, for goodness sake. Sir, you have a major hard chip on your shoulder. Cows have 160 m acres of BLM land to graze. Wild horses & burros have just 26 m left of their original? 51 million acres, and they only get 1/4th forage of that while cows get over half despite the 1971 Act. Fairer allocation is all we ask. Please unfurl your fists!

• #24 by farmerman270 on January 5th, 2012

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  So as to give these horses you think they deserve lets quit funding other stuff. Like educatioin and welfare. because after all any animal left to? reproduce at its own rate with no preditors will in fact eat istself out of house and home. Then the govt can pay out millions to feed all these animals. After all this country can afford that. Yeah right!! I say round up whatever the range cant provide for and sell them to the packers Why let them die when they can feed some starving kid?

• #25 by GLOWORMMM on January 5th, 2012

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  FYI, the ASPCA will do NOTHING for these animals. I wrote Investigator Fox at the salt lake city ASPCA about the BLM conditions that horse were enduring. 1 foot of standing mud, lame horses, emaciated horses, downed horses, horses with lacerations and horses with nasal discharge . He wrote me back saying that those conditions were normal for livestock in UT. Everyone else would go to jail …..? except when you are in bed with the BLM.